Great post. Nice to see some well thought out posts on this site. The quality of the members here is encouraging.
Mos.Def wrote:
I think the main reason hitler came to power was because of such drastic changes you reject. At the time the world was in a huge slump, unemployment was high, as was hunger and poverty. You had people demonstrating on the streets and workers striking because of wage cuts. The ruling class were afraid and backed hitler all the way. germany even had two left wing parties much bigger than hitlers at the time but they refused to join forces to protest his rise which left the working class perplexed and hitler smashed them which paved the way for his one party state.
Hitler came to power for a combination of reasons. While I used Hitler's adept exploitation of images (film had only recently become available as a medium), I certainly don't mean to associate his rise to power purely based on this new phenomena of image exploitation - though we can agree that it played a role. Hitler's oratorial mastery (also part of an image) was another huge factor in his success. Also, Hitler perspicaciously played on the bruised national German pride, heavily damaged by the loss of World War I and the severe, possibly unfair reparations guidelines set out in the Treaty of Versailles (1919).
The world was deep into the Great Depression and Germans were ready for change in policy, even drastic change, perhaps moreso than many other powerful nations that were also suffering economically from the Depression. These and other lesser criteria all conspired to propel Hitler AND his policies to the forefront. But let's keep in mind that Hitler kept his most drastic policies (anti-semitic annhilation) secret for much longer than he did his other policies. So it is in times of drastic stress, when loss of freedom's are noticeable to everyone, that policy again becomes imporant and never current policy, but drastic
new policy...
anyone's policy, so long as it promises change to the same drastic magnitude as the public perception of the crisis is. (Check out an excellent comparative biography written by Alan Bullock called
Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives available
here and for a short review, look
here.
Mos.Def wrote:
I’m not saying image doesn’t play a big part in politics but policies represent the most important part in elections and they are even more important given that the business environment is in meltdown.
I just don't see the current "crisis" in the same light.
Most Americans are ignorant. Their school system is among the worst of industrialized nations. Very few of them are nearly as informed or intelligent as you are, Mos, and lack the acuity to digest policy. Sometimes we make the mistake of assuming everyone is like ourselves. I do this too. Sadly, they just aren't.
Most Americans can't even grasp the subtlties of policy, nor do they much care, because their level of freedom has been rather adequate and static for decades - and this remains unchanged. We haven't seen the skyrocketing inflation of the Great Depression, nor the massive unemployment levels - yet. This financial crisis is mainly a crisis of the upper and upper middle classes. For the bulk of people, nothing much has changed. We won't see any real drastic change in policy until we feel a drastic loss/change in freedom.
So I reiterate, policy, especially to Americans, at this time is not important. Americans were almost evenly split between Liberal and Republican voting in the past two elections. There is no clear "policy" winner. What makes the difference in who actually gets elected, nowadays, is image.
Mos.Def wrote:
Besides, the problem was a mixture of the bank industry, speculators, government, regulators and the central bankers themselves...
Agreed.
Mos.Def wrote:
It’s similar in the US. I don’t think it’s hard for people to understand that john mccain hasn’t got the intelligence or the modern perspective to lead a country and it’s the current crisis america is in, which is exposing him as such. I mean, the guy suspended his campaign to vote for that bail out which collapsed. Members of his own party voted against him, that means he cant even lead his own party nevermind a country. Actually, the guy is completely out of touch with what’s going down, he’s been supporting pretty much all the bush administrations economic policies then all year claimed the American economy is strong.
But still near half the electorate will vote for him.
Mos.Def wrote:
Sure he walks like a penguin, has weird little hands, skin like a burnt victim, consistently tries to portray his experience and how America is winning the war on terror but at the end of the day, his economic record is really bad and that’s what the election is being fought over.
Lmfao!! Omg 'skin like a burn victim' hahaha!!
Mos.Def wrote:
Obama has a new way of looking at the economy, he doesn’t think like the past. This isn’t an image he has created, it’s genuinely been his matrix from day one. Every half decent economist supports his policies from stiglitz to mcfadden, those guys are nobel winners. So, i reckon if there is ever a time for when policies will supersede the importance of image, that time is now.
Obama is just more of the same. His aptitude for image exploitation is not paralleled in McCain. His paid television infomercials during primetime and his foray into electronic media with a strong internet presence, attest to his pre-occupation with image. His
policies read like a wish list.
Nothing I've heard from his camp isn't something I've heard numerous times from Liberal policy makers for decades. Is he the lesser of two evils, economically? Absolutely. The real root of this current financial crisis though isn't being addressed in the same way it wasn't addressed by government after the stockmarket crash in 1929.
Here is a new post which serves as a reminder of the climate that brings forth economic depression.
But overall, its his image, not his policy that will win him this election. If it were about policy, Ron Paul would be the next president. Lol.